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Another Portrait v Landscape preference
A couple of days ago we saw the same picture in Landscape and Portrait mode.
I took this picture on the weekend at Whale Beach and the only difference is that the portrait version has been cropped to make it landscape. I initially did that as an experiment after seeing some of Jaco portraits, but now I think it really works as it brings out the strength of my daughters blue eyes. What do you think? Also does the colour look right? I did no colour modification whatsoever... Portrait: 
Landscape: 
Thanks.... ozczecho
LOVE the landscape one, it's very strong and moving, brings out the eyes, and has a more personal feel to it as you feel 'closer'. I really prefer the landscape crop is this case, by a long way.
Great photo, and gorgeous kid.
It might just be the size, but the landscape one, as alpha said, really emphasises her beautiful eyes. I don't mind losing the top of the head because theeyes are so engaging. I would say Landscape.
Very nice shot. Matt
Re: Another Portrait v Landscape preference
Actually, it's the tighter crop and larger size that's creating this illusion. Try shooting the same (portrait) shot again, but with a much tighter crop, and then see what you think. I personally prefer the portrait version, but feel that it could benefit from a tighter crop - at the time of shooting - at the top, while still keeping the hand in the image at the bottom. g.
Gary Stark Nikon, Canon, Bronica .... stuff The people who want English to be the official language of the United States are uncomfortable with their leaders being fluent in it - US Pres. Bartlet
I agree with Gary. Portrait, and crop close to the head, or better still, crop through the top of the head like your landscape shot. (Although I'd crop just a fraction higher than your in landscape shot). My 2 cents.
Doug C.
When I look at the portrait shot I note myself focussing on her forehead - maybe it's a rule of thirds thing. Possibly the eyes have ended up too low in the crop.
The Landscape works well - beautiful girl On my crappy work monitor there seems to be a bit of a blue tint to the shot. Regards, Paul Vandenberg
D7000 (D70S retired) - 18-70mm, 50mm F1.8, 35mm F2, Sigma 70-300mm
Wow wow wow!! This is an EXCELLENT portrait in both modes however I too prefer the landscape version, it is more intense and demanding, and as said really shows off her beautiful eyes. You should be VERY proud of this!!!
 Geoff
Special Moments Photography Nikon D700, 50mm 1.4, 85mm 1.4, 70-200 2.8VR, SB800 & some simple studio stuff.
Yep - of the two the landscape has more impact and draws attention to the eyes, so its the winner! I do agree with Gary that a tighter crop on the portrait shot would mimick and possibly enhance this. I see a slight blue shift on my monitor as well - perhaps warm the shot up a little and see how it looks.
Excellent shot, Craig
The landscape oriented shot has much more impact and draws the viewer to those stunning eyes, but as mentioned I think that's only due to the different crop.
Aka Andrew
WOW... I am with the majority and going for the landscape. It hit me first. and I am thinking that I would like to see it a little warmer.
but that is a keeper! D4, D700, plus glass from 14mm to 200mm
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It's a good shot, as a comparison it's more a matter of which crop works better, than which is the better format. In this case it's the landscape, the portrait is awkward, cutting into her hair on the right, yet leaving all that space on top. The landscape focuses on the face, with less extraneous background.
what a cutie! I'd be framing that picture. What lense was used?
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Both great, landscape best for me, Max
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Everyone thank you very much for your input.
Kris, the lens I used was a 50mm f/1.4, with center-weighted metering, f/3.5, 1/125s, iso 200. Gary here is a tighter crop portrait version. After looking at the image at work I also "warmed it" up a little (thanks JordanP & Jonesy) 
Large Version Cheers ozczecho
OK .... This is a tighter crop still, and I've warmed it up even more. 
Interestingly, within the bounds of this forum, it still looks cooler than it does either directly or in NCE. g.
Gary Stark Nikon, Canon, Bronica .... stuff The people who want English to be the official language of the United States are uncomfortable with their leaders being fluent in it - US Pres. Bartlet
That is just one beautiful shot of your gorgeous daughter - those eyes will make many a heart swoon in years to come
 Chris
-------------------------------- I started my life with nothing and I’ve still got most of it left
Geez Gary thats a great crop.
Also I made the 2nd version warmer but your one is warmer still and IMHO looks great. I am assuming you used NC and the White Balance control to warm it up. What value did you use?...I wanna play some more. Thanks for this effort. sirhc55...those eyes are going to make me a very worried father in about a decade (or more)
Oz,
I SERIOUSLY encourage you to get this printed on canvas..blow it up and frame it on your wall...I have been back to this thread several times... I can tell you that I have heard good things about BigPrints. http://www.bigprints.com.au Geoff
Special Moments Photography Nikon D700, 50mm 1.4, 85mm 1.4, 70-200 2.8VR, SB800 & some simple studio stuff.
Thanks for the info - here here, print that she will love it in years to come.
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I agree with Geoff on getting this pic printed and would go one further and suggest submitting some pics to creative agencies - your daughter has one helluva future with her eyes
Chris
-------------------------------- I started my life with nothing and I’ve still got most of it left
Good suggestion Chris, but Oz...do your research before going down that path! This is sensational
Geoff
Special Moments Photography Nikon D700, 50mm 1.4, 85mm 1.4, 70-200 2.8VR, SB800 & some simple studio stuff.
Thanx. That's what I think you should have aimed for in the camera. Do you still feel that the landscape image has more impact or is better? I think that you have shot a very compelling image.
If I had access to the NEF, I would have probably looked at the WB, but in this instance I hit the green and red channels just a little, and yes, in NCE. I think it was red up a little, and green down ... what was the orignal WB setting btw? It looks pretty good IAC. Last edited by gstark on Wed Nov 02, 2005 11:58 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Gary Stark Nikon, Canon, Bronica .... stuff The people who want English to be the official language of the United States are uncomfortable with their leaders being fluent in it - US Pres. Bartlet
Kudos to echo for capturing the shot, kudos to Gary for the crop. When I saw the landscape I thought it was pretty good but I love what Gary has done. I knew there were something a miss with the landscape. The subject was slightly off centre and there seemed to be a lot of space either side that was wasted/useless. I like the newer crop as it's fairly tight around the facial features and retains the young girls hands in the photo.
Darryl (aka Kipper)
Nikon D200
Geoff, wow thanks. I will definately look at BigPrints. Thanks for the link.
Kris, no probs mate. sirhc55...seriously, wow...OK might have to do some research into that. Gary, the portrait image looks great. Initially when I did the landscape crop I fell in love with it and maybe discarded any other way. The original WB was Daylight+Sunshine. I warmed it up by selecting cloudy. BTW whats IAC stand for?  If you want access to nef i can post it up.
Always a danger. But there's a reason that it's called "portrait" mode.
Posting it here won't be appropriate; please send it to my gmail account,; I'll have a play .... gary.stark@gmal.com IAC - In Any Case ..... g.
Gary Stark Nikon, Canon, Bronica .... stuff The people who want English to be the official language of the United States are uncomfortable with their leaders being fluent in it - US Pres. Bartlet
Mike has sent me the NEF, and I've now created two more crops.
These are high quality jpgs, and I've not resized them, so they're big-ish files. Try here and here. g.
Gary Stark Nikon, Canon, Bronica .... stuff The people who want English to be the official language of the United States are uncomfortable with their leaders being fluent in it - US Pres. Bartlet
Nice work Garry, it shows what a dramatic affect a little tweaking can do, (if you know what your doing). As has been said before, this should be sent to the printer then framed!
Holly err.. , Wow Gary the tight landscape crop that you did was awesome.
Now I have to go back over all my pics again and look at differnet crops. I guess it also shows the power of shooting NEF's.. MATT
Yes, but (having had a play with the NEF) it also re-illustrates (to me, IAC) the value of cropping in-camera, which I think I may have suggested to Mike earlier in the piece. I've not posted the full original here, but suffice to say that there was plenty cropped out of the image, even in Mike's first rendition of this. I readily accept that there are times when you can't fill the frame as you wish, and noting that this image was shot with the 50mm, and in a car, it may well be circumstantial that Mike was precluded from getting coser to the subject. While, for smaller prints this is not an issue, this is such a wonderful image that I would love to see it printed at A3+ and then framed, but I suspect the severity of the crop is going to hamper this, and that is where we lose out. C'est la vie. g.
Gary Stark Nikon, Canon, Bronica .... stuff The people who want English to be the official language of the United States are uncomfortable with their leaders being fluent in it - US Pres. Bartlet
ozczecho-wonderful capture of a lovely girl, as everyone else has already mentioned as you well know "what wonderful and captivating eyes
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Gary-your mastery of the crop and color enhancement has made a wonderful capture into a "WOW " Great Work 
Not wrong Gary, comes down to experience. I set my camera up for the shot (center weighted metering, Aperture Priority) but the framing wasnt spot on. In this case the orig image was 2000*3008 and Gary tight crop comes in @ 1116*1539. I know need to work out what max size print I can get....
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