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Birddog114 wrote:

huynhie wrote:But I've got to admit this new camera if one sexy beast.

This is the camera Glen was waiting for.

Will he? He loves sexy beast?

You know he been waiting for the D200 to be released to make his decision.

So what will Glen decide?

D200 or D2x or Both?

By the time I can afford a D2X it will be old news and the D3X will be out... and too expensive for me...

*sigh*

Hope this MultiCAM-1000 turns out to be good.

When can we expect to get reliable info on the AF performance?

Paul

huynhie wrote: D200 or D2x or Both?

Which one is the best sexy beast then he'll get

NikonUser wrote:
Hope this MultiCAM-1000 turns out to be good.

When can we expect to get reliable info on the AF performance?

Paul

Info of AF on the Net is never giving you the truth.
The only way is buy and measure it buy yourself. Of course its AF is faster than the D70 but not much.

Nikon does not want to kill the D2 series, to early to creamate them!

It's not so much speed I'm worried about (although faster is always nicer of course)... My AFS lenses work pretty fast now..

I'm hoping the focus will be a little more accurate than that D70. I find the focus to not always be exactly where I expected it to be

Then again maybe it's ME who needs to be more accurate.

A good hands-on session will be in order before purchase that's for sure.

Paul

Andrew, it seems more like a D2X is calling me more, but who knows? The only photo I have taken in the last 3 weeks is my comp entry (and it shows by how crappy my comp entry is compared to the others ) so the D70 wont wear out before Feb or so

As Birddy always says "you have to see and touch" (that could be applied to lots of things )

Glen wrote: As Birddy always says "you have to see and touch" (that could be applied to lots of things )

Yes, the sexy beast!

one thing i did notice about the d200 is the wireless networking ability.. for those who carry a laptop they can transfer the images to there lappy without the hastle of cables and annoying gadgets...


but in the end.. itself is just another gadget... if it comes out at a fair price... ill consider a d200... if not.. ill just keep saving for a d2x from Birdy.. one day.. lol....

Tim

NikonUser wrote:It's not so much speed I'm worried about (although faster is always nicer of course)... My AFS lenses work pretty fast now..
Paul

The AF system on the D70 is not fast and accurate as the D2x and maybe with the D200.

Zeeke wrote:one thing i did notice about the d200 is the wireless networking ability.. for those who carry a laptop they can transfer the images to there lappy without the hastle of cables and annoying gadgets...

Don't dream! the wireless networking (WT-3) on the D200 will cost at least AU$600.00/ The WT-2 for D2 costs closed to AU$1K, how many people using them with confidence and easier?

Better using wired than wireless and saving up for better glass.

Glen wrote:Andrew, it seems more like a D2X is calling me more, but who knows? The only photo I have taken in the last 3 weeks is my comp entry (and it shows by how crappy my comp entry is compared to the others ) so the D70 wont wear out before Feb or so

As Birddy always says "you have to see and touch" (that could be applied to lots of things )

Yes it will be fun when we get to "see and touch this thing"

Maybe at the Christmas meet

you make a good point... i spose.. in the end.. its more coin towards a d2x instead....

Tim

http://www.dpreview.com/articles/nikond200/

Tim

Look if it retails for $3k here in Australia no lens, and say we get it for what $2.8k from Birddog/Poon (if we're lucky). When you get it duty free/trs you're looking at what $2520? Does anybody remember the price of the D70 when it first came out? It was probably quite a high price, although now quite a few years later it's become an attractive price.

Zeeke wrote:http://www.dpreview.com/articles/nikond200/

Tim

Tim,
This has been posted earlier! and someone beat you!

Birddog, is there any info weather this unit has weather seals such as that on the D2X?

kipper wrote:Look if it retails for $3k here in Australia no lens, and say we get it for what $2.8k from Birddog/Poon (if we're lucky). When you get it duty free/trs you're looking at what $2520? Does anybody remember the price of the D70 when it first came out? It was probably quite a high price, although now quite a few years later it's become an attractive price.

The real first D70 + kit lens sold at $2100.00 GST INC. and now it's around $1900.00.

kipper wrote:Birddog, is there any info weather this unit has weather seals such as that on the D2X?

No, it's not weathershield same as the D2x.

kipper wrote:Birddog, is there any info weather this unit has weather seals such as that on the D2X?

From Dpreview:

Environmental seals

Just as with the D2X there are numerous rubber gasket seals around body seams, controls and compartment doors. Nikon don't claim the camera to be waterproof but it's certainly more 'weather proof' than the average digital SLR. Remember that the camera is only as weather proof as its weakest link, this is includes the lens mount and only a few of the more recent Nikkor lenses have rubber seals around the mount ring.

Nikon you mentioned what does 11/7 mean.

11 AF sensors, 7 in cross type pattern.....the D2X is 11/9

Also an interesting thing is that the D200 can buffer more at 5fps than the D2X but I guess it should be able to seeing as it's 10.2.

Battery, 7.4V 1500mah compared to D2X of 11.1V 1900mah. As yet I haven't really found the 500 that draining on the battery, had to do one battery change the other day during the day but that was it. I guess though the MB-D200 would help provide extra life.

Ahh ok.. sorry, didnt realise it was posted.. i thought i had read all the posts, sorry for wacking up the link again... still an interesting read

Tim

Thanks Kipper...

However I'm not sure that's accurate anymore as everyone seems to be saying only 1 cross point.

Looking at the dpreview site it seems to mean that the 7 indicates that there are 7 'expanded' autofocus areas which can be selected as an option instead of having all 11 af areas selected.

Info here:

http://www.dpreview.com/articles/nikond200/page4.asp

Paul

Kipper i can sense you are a bit like me....disappointed at the piddly increase in autofocus performance and less so with the resolution. Mind you there are some nice pluses.

I believe Birddog knows what the auto focus will perform like already. It's either keep saving for D2X(though 100-1600 ISO is attractive) or wait as birdy says for the next announcement by nikon probably Feb. What could it be?

I'll just have to wait till you guys get tp play with it to give me feedback.
cheers
marco

Well at last it all makes a good read, now that it is all fair dinkhum and out in the open, doesn't look to bad either.

Wow.

Birdy, I don't think I've ever seen you so worked up in a negative sense about a product release. As you suggest, perhaps we should all take a deep breath,slow down and wait until we can touch and feel the camera.

You seem convinced that the new CAM1000 is shit and knowing you, you would not say that unless you had a good reason.... That is a shame really because other than that it appears to be the perfect camera for the type of pics I like to take. IE: Fast FPS & the extra 4mp allow a bit more cropping when the lens isn't quite long enough Of course the D2X does all that and more but $$$$ sometimes means compromises must be made...

Leave me on the preorder list (I assume you got my email) as by the time I have to make a decision, we will all know much more about the D200

kipper wrote:Does anybody remember the price of the D70 when it first came out? It was probably quite a high price, although now quite a few years later it's become an attractive price.

Kipper you will have to stop eating birdseed The Nikon D70 was released early 2004

sirhc55 wrote:

kipper wrote:Does anybody remember the price of the D70 when it first came out? It was probably quite a high price, although now quite a few years later it's become an attractive price.

Kipper you will have to stop eating birdseed The Nikon D70 was released early 2004

Well it is a few years later....2005 is almost finished.

The wide 7 area AF certainly seems like a nifty feature. With the precision of 11 AF points when needed, or 7 pts with wider coverage for tracking movement or requiring fast AF speed - and hopefully it'll do a good job of tracking movement... judging from the improvements implemented with the D70s and D70 firmware revision 2, I believe Nikon has done lots of AF predictive-tracking R&D so hopefully auto focusing won't be a let down in the D200.

Another peculiarity from the DPReview preview - previous generation EN-EL3(a) batteries won't be compatible with the D200; yet it uses the same MH-18a charger as the D70s.
And on that point, I find it somewhat peculiar too that the D200 does not share the same battery as D2 series - if it were targetted as a backup for pros using the D2 series, it would save them the hassles of carrying a different set of spares. Or if it were targetted at the D50/D70 crowd wishing to trade up, they would have made the battery cross compatible. Just who is Nikon aiming to sell the D200 to? Entice AI lens collectors who haven't yet made the switch to digital? All three of them (worldwide)...

Yep Chi, I was a bit annoyed with the battery thing not being compatible with anything out there on the market.

While it's compatible with the charger, I think it has some sort of data exchange with the camera from what I can read.

johndec wrote:Wow.

Birdy, I don't think I've ever seen you so worked up in a negative sense about a product release. As you suggest, perhaps we should all take a deep breath,slow down and wait until we can touch and feel the camera.

You seem convinced that the new CAM1000 is shit and knowing you, you would not say that unless you had a good reason.... That is a shame really because other than that it appears to be the perfect camera for the type of pics I like to take. IE: Fast FPS & the extra 4mp allow a bit more cropping when the lens isn't quite long enough Of course the D2X does all that and more but $$$$ sometimes means compromises must be made...

Leave me on the preorder list (I assume you got my email) as by the time I have to make a decision, we will all know much more about the D200

I'm disappointed also, I cant believe it doesnt use CAM1300, which D1X & 1H used.

johndec wrote:Wow.

Birdy, I don't think I've ever seen you so worked up in a negative sense about a product release. As you suggest, perhaps we should all take a deep breath,slow down and wait until we can touch and feel the camera.

John,
Yes, perhaps I had played too much with the D2x and when touching this new baby, won't give me much of feeling good, but as said, they're just my opinions.
The best thing is sit back, relax and try it yourself.

You seem convinced that the new CAM1000 is shit and knowing you, you would not say that unless you had a good reason.... That is a shame really because other than that it appears to be the perfect camera for the type of pics I like to take. IE: Fast FPS & the extra 4mp allow a bit more cropping when the lens isn't quite long enough Of course the D2X does all that and more but $$$$ sometimes means compromises must be made...

As above, but could be good in the hands of D70 owners, same as you had the current model of the Prado and test drive on a new RAV4

Nothing we can do can't we? Nikon still wants lot of money come thru their flagship model.

How much time/experience have you had with the D200 Birdy?

Sounds like you've been using it for years!

NikonUser wrote:How much time/experience have you had with the D200 Birdy?

Not long!  BTW, Ritz camera in the USofA is taking preorder at US$1699.00 = AU$2400.00

Genji why would you want CAM1300, it's only a 5point AF?

Birddog, out of interest how much do you reckon the MB-D200 would cost?

kipper wrote:
Birddog, out of interest how much do you reckon the MB-D200 would cost?

At the first release of the MB-D200, the damage will be somewhere of less than $500.00 and over $400.00.

When are they available ? I want one

Interesting so all up if you were to purchase this retail you could be looking close to $3.5k to have a 10.2mp camera with vertical grip that shoots 5fps. Personally I'd like to see how this compares to Canons EOS-20D or Canons EOS1D MKII.

Well i would be still waiting to some one has it in there hands and try it out, not that i amwaiting for 1 of these, just interested to see if this will make D2X price fall slightly. Not that it really matters, but well we have all seen what the D70 can do and who knows the faster shutter speed looks ok at this stage, MP should be ok and well my concern and most important that i would think is the Auto Focus speed. I have been happy with the D70 although this is the only let down i could say is AF speed.

My money is still on the D2X for now,only because i want fast AF and fps.
If these couple of features are improved on the D200 i think it will be a lil ripper of a camera.

kipper wrote:Interesting so all up if you were to purchase this retail you could be looking close to $3.5k to have a 10.2mp camera with vertical grip that shoots 5fps. Personally I'd like to see how this compares to Canons EOS-20D or Canons EOS1D MKII.

Kipper,
As I said the MB-D200 is also an estimated price but it could be more, not less.
And to do the sum on this new D200 (We have done it today), it'll be in higher AU$ 3K bracket or over US$2K. (including a second battery)

.......... what about the 18-200 dx vr len's also released today.........

Birdy,

I like your car analogy, very clever especially as you know I own a Prado How about we look at it this way instead:

D50 = RAV4
D70 = Prado
D200 = Landcruiser
D2X = Lexus 470

As you know the Lexus and the Landcruiser are very similar except one has a few little extras and costs twice as much

It's only natural that a Lexus owner wouldn't be impressed by a Landcruiser, but a RAV4 or Prado owner might think a Landcruiser is quite desirable

big pix wrote:.......... what about the 18-200 dx vr len's also released today.........

Haven't seen one as yet!

Im happy with a prado for the time being.

Onyx wrote:
Another peculiarity from the DPReview preview - previous generation EN-EL3(a) batteries won't be compatible with the D200; yet it uses the same MH-18a charger as the D70s.

I'll bet that the D70 battery will work just fine in the D200, however the "Petrol Gauge" meter on the D200 will be disabled because the D70 battery will be mising a contact. After all, it's the same size,shape and voltage... If they were completely incompatible, they would make them a different shape so idiots like me didn't accidently stick the wrong battery in

johndec wrote:Birdy,

I like your car analogy, very clever especially as you know I own a Prado How about we look at it this way instead:

D50 = RAV4
D70 = Prado
D200 = Landcruiser
D2X = Lexus 470

As you know the Lexus and the Landcruiser are very similar except one has a few little extras and costs twice as much

It's only natural that a Lexus owner wouldn't be impressed by a Landcruiser, but a RAV4 or Prado owner might think a Landcruiser is quite desirable

John,
I drive the Lexus and once I get into the Landcruiser, I won't have the same feeling as the Lexus, even they are the same as engine and other bits.
But if you used to drive a Prado, and now you drive a Landcrusier then you may have your better feeling with it.
If happens, I have to drive the Prado while I had the Lexus before, then sure it's big difference.
In this case if you're saying the D200 = Landcrusier and D2x is = Lexus 470, then I'll object it, cos they're not the same.
Lexus 470 + Landcruiser are the same./ D200 is not the same with D2x

Sorry, I didn't mean it that literally. I was just using the first example that came to mind (Toyota 4WD). Hopefully you get my meaning though

Looking through the Challenge 7 entries, I'm reminded the D70 can take such stunning photos. Looking at the photos on the computer, I can't tell the difference between a D70 and a D2x. I'll upgrade when the D2x's successor arrives. By then, hopefully I'll have the skills that go beyond what the D70 can do.

johndec wrote:Sorry, I didn't mean it that literally. I was just using the first example that came to mind (Toyota 4WD). Hopefully you get my meaning though

John,
Roger!
I say once again:
As soon as I can grab a d200 in my hand, I'll let all members who attend the mini meet have full play with it. Not too far away with my first D200.
And you'll have your says.