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Is PP good?

Posted:
Tue Oct 11, 2005 10:02 pm
by stubbsy
Here are two recent pics where I just can't work out what PP treatment brings out the image. This is my current take on them. To see a larger version, click the pic.
Do these work for you?
Edit: The original image with no PP added for both shots.
a Black and white opera house...
and a colour ghostly boat...


Posted:
Tue Oct 11, 2005 10:09 pm
by MCWB
Peter: B&W
Opera House works, not sure about the cropping on the left hand side though, the edge isn't 'clean' for some reason?
The second shot doesn't work for me at all however: I look at the foreground, "nothing to see here", then look at the (nice) background. My interest is then kept by the background, which probably misses the intended point of the capture?

Posted:
Tue Oct 11, 2005 10:11 pm
by Alpha_7
Peter,
I like the first one, definitely a fine representation of our famous landmark.
The second one I'm not so sure on... the ghost bit seems super pixelated and it doesn't really do it for me.
(Do you have the orginals handy for comparison?)
Thanks,
Craig

Posted:
Tue Oct 11, 2005 10:12 pm
by TonyH
I really like the Ghost Ship. The opera House is just a little too tightly cropped for me.
Great work
Regards
Tony

Posted:
Tue Oct 11, 2005 10:13 pm
by Matt. K
Peter
Opera house works very well and is a fine image. As fine as any of the building I have seen . Second image is interesting and has some lovely elements, which you have picked up on...but falls over because the boat is not defined or recognizable. But a very nice abstract anyway.

Posted:
Tue Oct 11, 2005 10:35 pm
by wendellt
the ghost ship is excellent
in the frame opera house fitted snug under bridge, whilst the light trail from the ship brings the viewer in from the right and sets their attention firmy at the apex of the opera house bridge, what did you photoshop on the image? looks fine the way it is

Posted:
Tue Oct 11, 2005 10:36 pm
by Alpha_7
Hmmmm, looks like a divide audience


Posted:
Tue Oct 11, 2005 10:39 pm
by chris1968
hello stubbsy
love #1 - tight crops i like, simple images i like, black and white i love!
#2 did not do it for me on first glance but, the more i look, the more i like!
Chris

Posted:
Tue Oct 11, 2005 10:59 pm
by mic
Stubbsy, you should be in advertising with that 2nd shot
Love it ! Sydney in a nutshell to me.
Well done mate !
Mic.


Posted:
Tue Oct 11, 2005 11:24 pm
by kamran
1st B&W pic is real nice. And not so sure about the 2nd one.

Posted:
Tue Oct 11, 2005 11:35 pm
by Nnnnsic
I really love the second one.


Posted:
Tue Oct 11, 2005 11:44 pm
by sheepie
Peter...
Believe it or not I actually like the ferry pic! I didn't at first, but I've kept coming back to it through the evening and have now decided I do.
It has that clarrity which your pics tend to have (especially the ones from this outing), and the colours are at their usual vivid but accurate best. What I think it would benefit from though is seeing more of the
Opera House. It just feels a little too cut-off for me at the moment.
The close-up of the
Opera House has been nicely handled, if also a little too tightly cropped for my liking. I love the way you do B&W, simple objects with great attention to contrast and overall levels.

Posted:
Wed Oct 12, 2005 11:46 am
by stubbsy
Some very interesting responses people. Thank you.
Trent - I hadn't noticed, but you're right about the untidyness on the left. It's part of another sail which I removed with the tight crop. I'll go back and fix this for my final version.
Craig - I'll post originals and my final rework tonight.
Wendell - second image was layered to bring up the background details without making the ghost ship too bright. I also bumped the sat on the background and less so for the ship (so it wouldn't be too orange)
One & all
The second pic is an odd one for me too. The divided opinions seem to confirm my own ambivalence about this image. Originally I had it marked as a reject, but something about it appealed hence this post. In fact I even considered entering it in the current movement comp, but decided it was a little too "out there".

Posted:
Wed Oct 12, 2005 11:56 am
by wendellt
Peter
yeah i thought the ship looked to god to be true,usually under long exposure they are more orange in colour because of the irradescent lights they have on board. The blue tone contributes to the scenes elegance
the first opera house shot is not as good as the other white opera house image you posted months back, too much going on in the bottom left, the opera house should always be framed elegantly less glass more white sails in my opintion, I find framing 2 to 3 sails is enough you don't need more as you risk taking that 'standard' opera house shot. 'Less is more' keep things simple.

Posted:
Wed Oct 12, 2005 7:41 pm
by stubbsy
Wendell - "the first opera house shot is not as good as the other white opera house image you posted months back". Agreed - that one was shot in bright daylight (I'm assuming
this is the one you meant)
Anyways as promised: I've update the top of the thread to show side by sides, plus below is a slightly less cropped version of the first one.


Posted:
Wed Oct 12, 2005 7:47 pm
by sheepie
this is much better Peter - and amazing to see it compared to the NEF!